Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 13, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

To the OP:

There is a definite learning curve.

Other MMO's (WoW, DAoC, etc.) kind of teach peeps bad habits when it comes to Guild Wars. Generally, you don't bulldoze your way through this game. Sure there are some situations where you can clear many mobs fast, but those are more the exception than the rule.

Guild Wars isn't inflationary like other games. The level cap and skill bar limits keep the escalation down and serves even the playing field.

I like the fact that even "lowbie" areas can be dangerous. Hordes of low level Charr can still kill a brazen level 20.

"One hitting" or being "one hit" is not a very common occurrence at least from what I have seen in GW.

I am constantly amazed how one or 2 skill choices can turn a series of failed attempts into a victory. If you are failing a lot/dying a lot...question your strategy. (Skill set, attribute points/attack approach/party makeup/pulling techniques/crowd control/interrupts, etc)

Skids · Nov 13, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Ive watched my son play WOW on his PC. All he seems to do is click practically eveything there without any thought of energy management. The interface looks untidy having loads of skills available.

Thats what you want? I dont understand why you feel GW is a problem in this respect. The idea is to manage what you have and make the best use of it.

I would suggest stop telling the world how poor you play and look up some builds for your character that work and perhaps change tactics. You cant just rush in and expect to survive against higher level enemy mobs without a bit of thought. Thats what having only this amount of slots makes you do.

The Muffen Man · Nov 13, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Well Ive always said this isnt a game of 8 skills, not for pvp anyway its a game of 7 skills and rez.
Ive always said this and Ill say it again we need 8 skill slots SKILL and Im not counting rez signet as a skill and then a slot for rez, because you always have to bring a rez into pvp

Warrior Of The Toon · Nov 13, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

What I want to know is that if you claim to have been playing for 14 months, how come you do not understand the very basis of the gameplay? The 8 skill slots are there to make you think and plan ahead, most of what has come next has been covered here.

But what I truely want to know is how you are so bad at a game after 14 months of playing? Even after a month or two most people grasp the basic survival skills needed. Buto ne of the good things about GW is that you need not fear death (unless you're a survivor), all it is is a nuisance, not something which wipes out half of your xp and drops all your items...

Grammar · Nov 13, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

It's funny how everyone seems to think there are 8 skill slots when there is in fact only 7 slots (with the notable exception of solo farming).

7 skill slots + a rez.

Here's what I would be in favor of....
Increase the number of usable skill slots from 7 to 8, and create a rez-only 9th slot, where only a rez spell/signet could be inserted. That way, by default, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) would have a rez skill on their bar.

This would be the only change I would accept to the current formula.
Since this change is extremely unlikely, I say just leave it the way it is.

Xenex Xclame · Nov 13, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetris L

If there were nine you'd ask for ten. That's why.

QFT
QFT

Rin · Nov 13, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

I think 8 is enough, sometimes too much in some cases.......

I mean look at the lvl 28 bosses, you would think they would have 8 skills, but naaah, they only have what, like 4-5??

Commander Ryker · Nov 13, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonemilio

Thank for replying...by the way...I still say that Guildwars is too difficult, it is
too easy to die for the most stupid reasons.

Now reason about this...I have died more in guildwars in only 14 months of
game...than in ten years of playing others RPG FANTASY GAMES...now this
seems strange,odd to anyone?

I repeat 9 skills in bar would be better.

Bye

Why not 9? Why not 10 or 11 or 12.......? If you are still having problems, then you need to change the skills you are using. As someone else said, millions of others are not having any problems. This game is not hard and most of it is doable with hero's/henchies.

Maybe you should just stick with Mario.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 13, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

8 skill slots is what you have.

Word games aside, a Rez Signet is a skill that you can choose to place on your skill bar.

Contrary to popular belief, there may actually be reasons NOT to have Rez Signet on your bar, but that's the cool thing about the game: your choices matter.

$hade. · Nov 13, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I'm fine with 8 but if they do make more skill spots available i'm fine with that too.

mrgoat · Nov 13, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

8 skill slots is what you have.

Word games aside, a Rez Signet is a skill that you can choose to place on your skill bar.

Contrary to popular belief, there may actually be reasons NOT to have Rez Signet on your bar, but that's the cool thing about the game: your choices matter.

Quoted for truth. It's not absolutely required that you bring a rez. There is a tradeoff here, you get one more something if you leave the rez out, and what you lose, in return for that gain, is the rez. It's not usually a good tradeoff in pvp, but then, you might be playing an alliance battle. In PVE, I almost always bring one, just in case, but almost never use it. I could easily stick something in there that would serve more often/better than a rez.

If you had 9 skill slots, The game'd be balanced to be a little more difficult, to compensate for that extra skill. Then, the complaint would just be "The game is too hard, we need 10 skill slots! It's a nice even number!". Just like if the level cap were 25, we'd have people clamoring for 30.

The whole point of GW is: You Play Better, the Numbers Stay the Same.

=HT=Ingram · Nov 13, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I know its not really explained anyplace where the skills actually come from in game, and that is a shame. We who played the betas know that the skill charms are inserted into skill rings and thus 8 became the number. The 9th skill was from a pendant, which allowed for trading of skills from other professions on a temporary basis. in any case. after playing around with the different options, ultimately the most balance in builds was attained with only 2 profession mixes of skills and only 8 skills.

The ring, pendent, advanced pendant, & skill charm portion of the game was abandoned for what we now have.

I know some are saying wait we have 10 fingers. Sorry they never had thumb rings that I remember. lol

jimmy_logic · Nov 13, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

In any case... thumb rings are duh

droz · Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

your posting ability isn't a skill either.

Praetor · Nov 14, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Core idea of Gw will stagnate without such changes. The only real contribution (at this rate) from each expansion is new skills. And even then, the new skills either simply fill a void in certain types of skills, or are overshadowed by other skills. This also works in retro, turning once decent skills into the brown stuff you hate stepping in.

Change is good.

And yes, factions & NF are expansions, not stand-alone.

God Apprentice · Nov 14, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

8 skills is fine. It makes it a "thinking mans game". Instead of a million skills you need to plan out what you want to do prior to doing w/e you are going to do.

A.Squirmel · Nov 14, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I personally think its great the way it is, eight being my favoriteNumber, and It makes it so you focus more on what you use.

Killian Godsblade · Nov 14, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Okay, I'm gonna throw this one out there because I think I figured out what the OPs problem is.

Only warriors can tank, nobody else (with a few exceptions). Build yourself a Wammo and go play.

On topic though. 8 is perfect. No need to make a special skill slot just for a rez. Part of the fun is creating a build that will work with the given amount of space. At least for me.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 15, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praetor

Core idea of Gw will stagnate without such changes. The only real contribution (at this rate) from each expansion is new skills. And even then, the new skills either simply fill a void in certain types of skills, or are overshadowed by other skills. This also works in retro, turning once decent skills into the brown stuff you hate stepping in.

Change is good.

Principles aren't arbitrary. They can't be made up to fit the occasion.

A governing philosophy is not a fashion trend or a college fad, it's the foundation of what you have built. Start timkering around too much and boom, all it comes down.

Every other MMO game on the market ends up going hyper-inflationary on every thing.

They super-size it, they raise the cap, they add more hurdles and then: they become irrelevant. Because at some point during all that "non-stagnation" they lost their "core" customers.

See, ANet can update their graphics engine, they can add more skills, they can add another planet to tavel to, they can add new races, time travel, and pet rocks...but they can't rip out the heart of the game and still expect it to beat.

When you play Volley Ball, you don't ask for more nets to be added, or more balls, for that matter, lol.

squan · Nov 15, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

9 skills would mean overpower. and more skills will get nerfed in that way.
btw if you die a lot that is your own mistake, maybe GW is not a game for you.

Nov 13, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59	#21
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	To the OP: There is a definite learning curve. Other MMO's (WoW, DAoC, etc.) kind of teach peeps bad habits when it comes to Guild Wars. Generally, you don't bulldoze your way through this game. Sure there are some situations where you can clear many mobs fast, but those are more the exception than the rule. Guild Wars isn't inflationary like other games. The level cap and skill bar limits keep the escalation down and serves even the playing field. I like the fact that even "lowbie" areas can be dangerous. Hordes of low level Charr can still kill a brazen level 20. "One hitting" or being "one hit" is not a very common occurrence at least from what I have seen in GW. I am constantly amazed how one or 2 skill choices can turn a series of failed attempts into a victory. If you are failing a lot/dying a lot...question your strategy. (Skill set, attribute points/attack approach/party makeup/pulling techniques/crowd control/interrupts, etc)

Nov 13, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11	#22
Skids Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: UK FTW Profession: R/Mo	Ive watched my son play WOW on his PC. All he seems to do is click practically eveything there without any thought of energy management. The interface looks untidy having loads of skills available. Thats what you want? I dont understand why you feel GW is a problem in this respect. The idea is to manage what you have and make the best use of it. I would suggest stop telling the world how poor you play and look up some builds for your character that work and perhaps change tactics. You cant just rush in and expect to survive against higher level enemy mobs without a bit of thought. Thats what having only this amount of slots makes you do.

Nov 13, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#23
The Muffen Man Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Druery Lane Profession: W/	Well Ive always said this isnt a game of 8 skills, not for pvp anyway its a game of 7 skills and rez. Ive always said this and Ill say it again we need 8 skill slots SKILL and Im not counting rez signet as a skill and then a slot for rez, because you always have to bring a rez into pvp

Nov 13, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21	#24
Warrior Of The Toon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Returning after a 50 month break. Hi. Guild: None Profession: R/	What I want to know is that if you claim to have been playing for 14 months, how come you do not understand the very basis of the gameplay? The 8 skill slots are there to make you think and plan ahead, most of what has come next has been covered here. But what I truely want to know is how you are so bad at a game after 14 months of playing? Even after a month or two most people grasp the basic survival skills needed. Buto ne of the good things about GW is that you need not fear death (unless you're a survivor), all it is is a nuisance, not something which wipes out half of your xp and drops all your items...

Nov 13, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#25
Grammar Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005	It's funny how everyone seems to think there are 8 skill slots when there is in fact only 7 slots (with the notable exception of solo farming). 7 skill slots + a rez. Here's what I would be in favor of.... Increase the number of usable skill slots from 7 to 8, and create a rez-only 9th slot, where only a rez spell/signet could be inserted. That way, by default, everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) would have a rez skill on their bar. This would be the only change I would accept to the current formula. Since this change is extremely unlikely, I say just leave it the way it is.

Nov 13, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#27
Rin Academy Page Join Date: May 2005	I think 8 is enough, sometimes too much in some cases....... I mean look at the lvl 28 bosses, you would think they would have 8 skills, but naaah, they only have what, like 4-5??

Nov 13, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08	#29
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	8 skill slots is what you have. Word games aside, a Rez Signet is a skill that you can choose to place on your skill bar. Contrary to popular belief, there may actually be reasons NOT to have Rez Signet on your bar, but that's the cool thing about the game: your choices matter.

Nov 13, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18	#30
$hade. Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Guild: [FiRM[] Profession: R/	I'm fine with 8 but if they do make more skill spots available i'm fine with that too.

Nov 13, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42	#32
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	I know its not really explained anyplace where the skills actually come from in game, and that is a shame. We who played the betas know that the skill charms are inserted into skill rings and thus 8 became the number. The 9th skill was from a pendant, which allowed for trading of skills from other professions on a temporary basis. in any case. after playing around with the different options, ultimately the most balance in builds was attained with only 2 profession mixes of skills and only 8 skills. The ring, pendent, advanced pendant, & skill charm portion of the game was abandoned for what we now have. I know some are saying wait we have 10 fingers. Sorry they never had thumb rings that I remember. lol

Nov 13, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33	#33
jimmy_logic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: R/	In any case... thumb rings are duh

Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37	#34
droz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006 Location: Wyoming Guild: This Space For [Rent] Profession: N/Me	your posting ability isn't a skill either.

Nov 14, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34	#35
Praetor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Guild: Devil Me [DEvM] Profession: E/D	Core idea of Gw will stagnate without such changes. The only real contribution (at this rate) from each expansion is new skills. And even then, the new skills either simply fill a void in certain types of skills, or are overshadowed by other skills. This also works in retro, turning once decent skills into the brown stuff you hate stepping in. Change is good. And yes, factions & NF are expansions, not stand-alone.

Nov 14, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#36
God Apprentice Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: Mo/N	8 skills is fine. It makes it a "thinking mans game". Instead of a million skills you need to plan out what you want to do prior to doing w/e you are going to do.

Nov 14, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45	#37
A.Squirmel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chilliwack B.C. Guild: Ascetics Of Deceit Profession: Mo/	I personally think its great the way it is, eight being my favoriteNumber, and It makes it so you focus more on what you use.

Nov 14, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#38
Killian Godsblade Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006	Okay, I'm gonna throw this one out there because I think I figured out what the OPs problem is. Only warriors can tank, nobody else (with a few exceptions). Build yourself a Wammo and go play. On topic though. 8 is perfect. No need to make a special skill slot just for a rez. Part of the fun is creating a build that will work with the given amount of space. At least for me.

Nov 15, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53	#40
squan Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rotterdam (The Netherlands) Guild: Rotterdam Pride Profession: Mo/	9 skills would mean overpower. and more skills will get nerfed in that way. btw if you die a lot that is your own mistake, maybe GW is not a game for you.